This Voter Says No To John Tory
Joanne over at Blue Like You suggests that she’s going to get behind John Tory now that the issue has been decided:
I made a promise to stop slagging Tory once a decision was made and I intend to keep it. At this point the party must attempt to come together or we will end up in the same position as the Federal Liberals.
Sorry Joanne but myself, I made a different kind of promise:
I pass a message on to Freedom Party leader Paul McKeever: if the PC’s can’t put up a better leader, somebody who is not a red Tory, then count me in for 2011 – assuming of course you want me.
So Joanne, no, I will not get on board. I understand that choosing politicians is always a bit of a compromise, but why must I make all the compromises. And I’ll tell you something else Joanne, John Tory has more in common with Joe Clark than just leadership review numbers: policy – check; electability – check; long term decimation of the party he leads – lets just hope not.
Frankly, I’m not really planning on running for anybody and I hope a Freedom Party candidate can be found for my riding. However, four years is a long way away and anything can happen: Hey! I work in the auto industry. Four years from now I might have nothing better to do.
But Joanne, I don’t see me getting on board with John Tory, and I sure don’t see that I will “stop slagging Tory.” When Conservatives refuse to act conservative, I am slagging them.
That’s probably the most polite fisk that I’ve been the subject of. 😉
My fear is that the Tory voters will go elsewhere. A split on the right will only serve to keep McGuinty and the Liberals in power forevermore.
You’re dead right Joanne… unless some MAJOR cleaning of house is done, and most of his current crop of advisors get tossed, and he starts really listening to us outside of the GTA, my wife and I will be over with the local Greens, provincially… end of story.
Sorry Joanne. Tory is a guy I can’t get behind either.
Looks like you guys have more company.
As for me, I merely said I won’t slag Tory anymore. That doesn’t mean I’m going to support him financially or otherwise.
I’m just saying that I’m not going to do Kinsella’s work for him.
I really suspect that there will be an alternative party appear soon.
I was there this weekend and with all the tricks they pulled they still only managed to get 67% of delegates.
The Yes side estimates that if the 80+ delegates who had their voting status removed were allowed to vote , Tory would have got less than 60%.
Remember, it was 67% of DELEGATES, not party members. Tory doesn’t have 67% support of the party, I estimate that his support among actual members is a little less than 50%. Nik Nanos did a poll a week or so again which put the number at 53%.
Riding home on a bus full of Landowner members, I can tell you that it is very likely that they will run either run Landowner candidates against the PCs in rural ridings or start a new party as some of their leaders were seriously discussing.
22 of the 26 seats the PCs have are in rural ridings and if an alternative appeared which appealed to rural voters the PCs would either lose those seats to the new party or to the Libs/NDP due to vote splitting.
Tory never learned the lessons of the 93 federal election.
I can’t get behind Tory either. Frankly, I don’t care if he’s the best person for the job, and I don’t even care if the guy has a rock solid plan that will win the 2011 election. As long as the guy is advocating Liberal policy ideas, I don’t want him as premier. I support conservative principles, not a particular party. I don’t subscribe to the Liberal lemming metality where you support the team for no other reason that it’s “your team”.
It’s a free country. People can slag whoever they want. But if you’re going to slag the party leader, it best not come from within the party.
With respect to the policy matters – has it not occurred to my fellow yes-to-review voters that we can influence the policy development process? How does withdrawing from participation help?
ALW said…
With respect to the policy matters – has it not occurred to my fellow yes-to-review voters that we can influence the policy development process? How does withdrawing from participation help?
The problem is I believe that Tory is fundamentally a very red tory, and just won’t embrace the brand of conservatism I’m looking for, even if the party adopts such policies. I don’t trust him to deliver on that. I honestly expect he’ll cave to his red toryism when it comes right down to it. Essentially, he’d be a salesman hired to sell a product he doesn’t believe in, and that’s never good for sales.
Riding home on a bus full of Landowner members, I can tell you that it is very likely that they will run either run Landowner candidates against the PCs in rural ridings or start a new party as some of their leaders were seriously discussing.
And how will that get rid of Dalton?
Well Joanne, I wasn’t really fisking you, I just used your comment as a jumping off point.
As per your last comment, to me it’s not about Dalton. The question is, is John Tory good enough for my vote. The answer is no. My vote is only compromisable so far, and Tory stands outside the line.
For me, the alternative party is the Freedom party. It’s time for disenfranchised PCs to find out more about them.